18 Mart 2017 Cumartesi

Some notes on future second stage Pokémon


The most important thing about second stagers is that they are the primary majority of Pokémon. This means that bulk of the changes will affect them, and not others. This seems rather paradoxical, as compared to third and single stagers, second stagers have been affected with power creep the least. This doesn't mean they are reliable enough to be unaffected by them, as shown by the abundance of Mega Evolutions in this group. Rather, because they are so large, the power creep has affected the bottom and middle more than the upper point. To illustrate this;

Gen I: Arcanine is the strongest, with 555 BST. (455 originally, shared with Exeggutor).

Gen II: Espeon and Umbreon are the strongest, with 525 BST.

Gen III: Milotic is the strongest with 540 BST.

Gen IV: Tangrowth is the strongest with 535 BST.

Gen V: Archeops is the strongest with 567 BST.

Gen VI: Noivern is the strongest, with 535 BST.

Gen VII: Silvally is the strongest with 570 BST.

As seen here, radical increase has not been seen for a long time. This is because the intermediary spaces have been filled in, rather than the top. In the recent generations, bottom have been made more powerful, with Chimecho increasing from 425 to 455, Medicham getting a Mega etc.

So, what will happen to the top, then? Well, with both single and third stagers experiencing power creeps, the bottom for two stagers is becoming less sustainable. So, the bottom barrier will increase further, with retcons. And the top? We will likely see more members there. When we will see further push beyond 540 barrier? Well, probably after third stagers do that. Otherwise, we don't need much to do there.

This means that the borders of conventional archetypes will be redrawn, but the ultimate limit of secondary stagers, will remain. This means that single stagers will be able to more easily outclass second stagers, as for most intents and purposes they can do most of what second stagers can do, but better, and are more accessible than things one must evolve for.

The current 25 gaps are:

390-415: Ledian-Furret

415-440: Furret-Persian

440-465: Persian-Forretress

465-490: Forretress-Slowbro

490-515: Slowbro-Tentacruel

515-540: Tentacruel-Snorlax

540-570: Snorlax-Silvally

Assuming Ledian gets upgraded to 400, the gaps would be:

400-425: Ledian-Dugtrio

425-450: Dugtrio-Sandslash

450-475: Sandslash-Dewgong

475-500: Dewgong-Golduck

500-525:Golduck-Cloyster

525-550: Cloyster-Volcarona

550-570: Volcarona-Silvally.

In both cases, we don't see much of a power creep. But we see a increasing stuffing in the upper and border areas. This shows the power creep is happening, but in other areas.

So, what this tells us:
  • Except for a Silvally case, it is unlikely that we will see a species that reaches legendary level. However, we will likely see such a Silvally case in the next even generation or so.
  • The bottom level remains 390, but this will likely change in the future to 400. However, we should expect a change from third stagers first, whose bottom level remains 385. 
  • More and more archetypes will likely migrate to single stagers. This will likely leave this group with only a handful.
  • Before the upper house is cleared, we will likely see more gap BSTs, like 523, 522, and so on.
  • We will likely see more stat retcons, largely to match some of the existing species to other groups.
 Other notes:
  • The amount of species for highest amount groups are:
  1. 16=>500
  2. 13=>495
  3. 11=>480,
  4. 8=>455
  5. 7=>490
  6. 6=>510,460,450, 475
  7. 5=>425,485 
  • This shows that upper house is getting cramped, while lower houses get cleared out. 
  • For a "real" power creep to happen, to following things should occur:
  1. 540-570 gap should be cleared.
  2. 570-600 gap should be filled.
  3. 445 and 435 points should be filled.
  4. The remaining gaps are:
  1. 569
  2. 568
  3. 565
  4. 564
  5. 563
  6. 562
  7. 561
  8. 560
  9. 559
  10. 558
  11. 557
  12. 556
  13. 554
  14. 553
  15. 552
  16. 551
  17. 549
  18. 548
  19. 547
  20. 546
  21. 545
  22. 544
  23. 543
  24. 542
  25. 541
  26. 539
  27. 538
  28. 537
  29. 536
  30. 534
  31. 533
  32. 532
  33. 529
  34. 528
  35. 527
  36. 526
  37. 524
  38. 523
  39. 522
  40. 519
  41. 518
  42. 517
  43. 516
  44. 513
  45. 512
  46. 511
  47. 509
  48. 506
  49. 504
  50. 503
  51. 502
  52. 501
  53. 499
  54. 496
  55. 493
  56. 492
  57. 491
  58. 486
  59. 484
  60. 477
  61. 476
  62. 471
  63. 469
  64. 463
  65. 461
  66. 459
  67. 458
  68. 457
  69. 453
  70. 451
  71. 449
  72. 447
  73. 445
  74. 444
  75. 443
  76. 441
  77. 439
  78. 438
  79. 437
  80. 436
  81. 435
  82. 434
  83. 433
  84. 432
  85. 431
  86. 429
  87. 428
  88. 427
  89. 426
  90. 422
  91. 421
  92. 419
  93. 417
  94. 416
  95. 414
  96. 412
  97. 411
  98. 409
  99. 408
  100. 407
  101. 404
  102. 403
  103. 402
  104. 401
  105. 399
  106. 398
  107. 397
  108. 396
  109. 395
  110. 394
  111. 393
  112. 392
  113. 391
Other things to note:

Because cross-generational additions are gone for good, this means that second stagers will not increase by the amount of babies or additional stages. Similarly, this means that second stagers cannot upgrade to the level of third stagers. So far, there hasn't been anything to simulate the evolution to a third stage besides Mega Evolutions and arguably Darmanitan and Cherrim's alternate forms. It might be possible that alternate forms that simulate this will be added, but it is not reasonable to expect them in the short period of time.

Similarly, though second stagers are susceptible to have side evolutions, since these side evolutions do not drastically change the outlook of power creep(besides the recent Alolan forms), it is not reasonable to expect much from there either.

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