18 Mart 2017 Cumartesi

Some notes on BSTs of starters, and others

Shared BSTs:
  1. 528: Gen V
  2. 530: Gen VII
  1. 535: Swampert
  2. 534: Charizard, Typhlosion, Infernape, Delphox
  3. 530: Remaining
  4. 525: Venusaur, Meganium, Torterra
 The last generation to have lower than 530 BSTs was Gen V. While 528 hasn't be reused extensively like 530 was, it is unlikely to see a return to that.

Looking at this, it seems we won't see anything around or below 530 after this generation. Reaching to 535 will likely take about 4 generations, and 540 will likely take 10 generations. So until 30 years we will remain in the 540 barrier.


For higher than 540 BSTs:

Gen I: 555

Gen II: N/A, 540 with Kingdra and Blissey

Gen III: 670

Gen IV: 545

Gen V: 567, 550

Gen VI: 552, 551, Megas

Gen VII: 570, 620

Next generation might see another 555 BST species, and something like this can be seen:

  1. Gen 8: 555
  2. Gen 9: 575
  3. Gen 10: 560
  4. Gen 11: 580
  5. Gen 12: 565
  6. Gen 13: 585
  7. Gen 14: 570
  8. Gen 15: 590
  9. Gen 16: 575
  10. Gen 17: 595
  11. Gen 18: 580
  12. Gen 20: 600
  13. Gen 21: 585
  14. Gen 22: 605
  15. Gen 23: 590
  16. Gen 24: 610
  17. Gen 25: 595
  18. Gen 26: 615
  19. Gen 27: 600
  20. Gen 28: 620

Some notes on future second stage Pokémon

Some notes on future single stage Pokémon.

First and foremost, due to increasing emphasis on single stage Pokémon, these species have seen a massive power creep. Traditionally, single stage Pokémon existed primarily as fodder for future evolutions, but since Mega Evolutions that idea has been put into bus. Recent single stagers have higher BSTs and powerful forms. In addition, many of the weaker ones have now retconned BSTs that make them more powerful. This makes them indistinguishable from second stage Pokémon(Wishiwashi is the most egregious example of this. Its school form is essentially a Level-Up evolution.)

Secondly, is how the power creep progresses. The power creep is around 20-30 BST for every even generation. This means that within three generations, single stage Pokémon will have an alternate form that will reach to Uber level, while common high end ones will reach to the level of starters and Haxorus. That's terrifying.

This gives us some weird ideas:

-Pikaclones: Looking at BSTs of Pikaclones:

-Gen III: 405, Gen IV: 405
-Gen V: 428, Gen VI: 431
-Gen VII: 435

If we continue with this;

Gen VIII: 435
Gen IX: 458, Gen X: 461
Gen XI: 465, Gen XII: 465
Gen XIII: 488, Gen XIV: 491
Gen XV: 495, Gen XVI: 495

So, within six generations(18 years) we will have a Pikaclone that is just as powerful as Raichu. Neat.

-Joke Pokémon: Looking at the current stats, the most powerful of them is Chatot with 411(technically Stunfisk with 471 but it has high stats due to its unique typing). However, both Pyukumuku and Corsola now reside at 410. While much improvement cannot be expected, we can see that this section is rather, dying. So we will not care for it, until it is revitalized.

-Low end species: With Qwilfish buffed to 440, this group's new borderline seems to be 440-460, as opposed to 430-460. It is likely that this group will take over the conventional weak 455 BST two stagers in the coming generations.

-Medium end species: With Lunatone and Solrock buffed to 460, it seems that borders of this group now start at 460 rather than 440. In the coming generations, this group should take over conventional second stagers.

-High end species: With Cryogonal buffed to 515, this group no longer ends at 490. While the gap still needs to be filled in, within next generations, this group will take over high end dual stage Pokémon.

-Alternate forms:
The maximum limits for generations are:

Gen IV: 520, Rotom forms.

Gen VI: 615, Mega Aerodactyl

Gen VII: 620, Wishiwashi School Form

Looking at this, within three generations it might be reasonable to expect an Uber-like form.

-Fishes: Looking at them:

Gen II: 430, Qwilfish

Gen V: 460, Basculin

Gen VII: 475, Basculin

Looking at this, we can guess that;

Gen IX: 490

Gen XI: 505

Gen XIII: 520

Gen XV: 535

Within eight generations(24 years) we can expect a fish around Lapras' level.

-What else:
  • It is unlikely that there will be single stager around the level of a legendary in the foreseeable future. There can be a Silvally situation, however.
  • While single stagers have started to drive out two stagers to higher levels, they have not started to drive out three stagers yet. That will take time.
  • Due to their currently limited amount, it is unlikely that single stagers will see significant boosts in the upcoming generations, though stat retcons will continue.
  • Single stagers can take more archetypes. They have current took over traditional fish archetypes, it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect them to take over other early route Pokémon, such as rodents, birds etc.

Some ideas on future third stage Pokémon

-Additional starter Pokémon: Similar to Simis, these secondary starters can work as replacements for species that are not obtained as starters. This idea would be good, because currently the only major third stagers are sadly starters.

These species can be at the lower end of starters, around 525 BST. They can be obtained in wild, or given after a specific period.

-Additional trade Pokémon: Not an idea I personally like, but trade Pokémon have been the primary drivers of three stage Pokémon for a long while. As trade evolutions have been declining in the last generations, this can bring them back to life.

-Additional three stage Electric-types: Another major third stage presenter, these can be expanded to make Electric-type more viable.

More specifically, Electric-type can have a honorary starter archetype, as an expansion to what we currently have.

-Additional three stage Psychic-types: More successors to Abra can be given. Psychic-types are missing powerful common species recently, so this can be a good way to bring back life.

-Additional three stage Steel-types: More successors to Magnemite can be given. Steel-types need more representatives, so this will be helpful.

-Additional three stage Ghost-types: More successors to Gastly can be given.

-Additional three stage Fighting-types: More successors to Machop can be given.

-Additional three stage Water-types: More successors to Poliwag would be... bad, but better than endless fishes.

-Other ideas:
  1. New archetypes: Rather than expanding upon existing archetypes, completely new archetypes would be better. These can be utilized on underutilized types, such as Flying, Bug etc.
  2. New tiers in-between standard Pokémon and legendaries: Currently common Pokémon can go up to 540 BST, while legendaries can go down to 570. More varied archetypes in this 30 BST gap can be created, similar to Archeops or Togekiss.
  3. Pseudo-ubers: Similar to pseudo-legends, these will be Pokémon who have stats around 601-680 range, working similar to Ubers. These Pokémon will appear as post-game challenges, and be banned in initial tournaments, becoming legal after the second year.
  4. Pseudo-sub-legendaries: These Pokémon will cover the 570-599 range, mimicking sub-legendaries. These Pokémon will be semi-final bosses, appearing before the showdown with the pseudo, around 7th badge or so.
  5. Pseudo-Megas: Similar to the conventional trade evolutions, these would be species who have highly powered middle stages that can work competitively and in-game, but will have upgraded third stages that can be more varied. These species would go around pseudo-legendary level at max. The idea behind them would be to abuse Eviolite without creating cross-generational evolutions.
  6. Psuedo-Mythicals: Similar to above, but a bit different, these species would have certain event-exclusive items and methods that would allow them to evolve to their true form, but would remain usable in their current situation.
  7. Terrain bosses: Using the lore of Haxorus and Aggron, these would be powerful third stage Pokémon that would work similar to Totem Pokémon and act as mid-bosses. Their middle stages would be around conventional pseudo-legendary/starter middle stage level, while themselves would be around 525-540 range. They would be found in wild through special means.